BOHICA NY- Reparations Edition

[turbobike]

The entertaining part will be in "infighting demographics" of what percentage decentant you are to qualify for the Reparations Welfare.

 

[GOPerfect]

The entertaining part will be in "infighting demographics" of what percentage decentant you are to qualify for the Reparations Welfare.

I read this garbage on X each and every day. I have never in my life seen such crap. All black, but this group is more black, this one is less deserving.
One of the newer things is the FBA. They really think this group is the most important. And then of course, the Native American black tribes that deserve even more money than the rest.

 

[byron]

Slavery in the territory that became the United States dates back to 1526 are they going all the way back? If so I want my share My 9th G. grandfather came here in 1620 If not mabry sue them for being racist because most of them were white

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

The entertaining part will be in "infighting demographics" of what percentage decentant you are to qualify for the Reparations Welfare.

it would likely be tied to some arbitrary progressive scale, and get very complicated when your watered down slave lineage crosses with another several generations after emancipation.

It would be fun if they made a lottery out of it. Like a reparations scratch off game.

 

[GOPerfect]

Slavery in the territory that became the United States dates back to 1526 are they going all the way back? If so I want my share My 9th G. grandfather came here in 1620 If not mabry sue them for being racist because most of them were white

No, slavery only lasted 89 in the US. All numbers and names should be drawn from that small number. Granted, none should be considered, but why would we be on the hook for something that happened in another Empire?

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Grok gets it!

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I honestly wouldn't be upset with a lottery style reparations program as long as it was self funded through voluntary participation. Anyone that thinks reparations are justified can contribute as much of their own money as they want, and only those verified eligible can play. It's not really any different than providing a monetary gift to someone you feel bad for.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is the stupid shit that I cannot wrap my head around. Slavery is all that is on their minds.

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[GOPerfect]

Just saying....

The United States is generally about 5 to 8 generations removed from the end of legal slavery in 1865

 

[byron]

No, slavery only lasted 89 in the US. All numbers and names should be drawn from that small number. Granted, none should be considered, but why would we be on the hook for something that happened in another Empire?

What I'm getting at is one is just as foolish as the other I understand what you are saying but it was the territory that built and became the United States same people same land just a different day and way of government, if you were George Washington's slave in 1775 you were still his slave in 1776 no change for the slave, same people same owners same land same duty nothing changed for them.

 

[GOPerfect]

What I'm getting at is one is just as foolish as the other I understand what you are saying but it was the territory that built and became the United States same people same land just a different day and way of government, if you were George Washington's slave in 1775 you were still his slave in 1776 no change for the slave, same people same owners same land same duty nothing changed for them.

Correct, in 1775, you were a slave in the British empire. 1776, you were a slave owned in the US of A.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Correct, in 1775, you were a slave in the British empire. 1776, you were a slave owned in the US of A.

And today, we are all still slaves owned by the government, even though most can't recognize it.

 

[spat]

This is not a matter of inherited criminal liability. It's a question of unresolved institutional liability and intergenerational economic consequence.

Reparations arguments generally are not saying “you are guilty for what your ancestors did.” They are saying that current U.S. society is historically continuous with systems that produced lineage-specific intergenerational effects, and that those effects justify lineage-conscious remedies.

Whether someone’s ancestors fought for the Union is morally relevant historically, but doesn't erase the existence of the underlying institutional systems or their downstream consequences.

But, reparations ideology says that people who's ancestors never had slaves, but died freeing them owe money to people who's ancestors never were slaves.

None of these schemes require any proof of any connection to slavery. Every one of them would take money from people who moved here after WWII and give it to people who snuck in illegally 5 years ago.

There were more white slaves in North Africa than there were black slaves in the US. So you could have people who's ancestors *were* slaves being forced to pay reparations to people who's ancestors were their slavers.

The entire thing is perverse.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

But, reparations ideology says that people who's ancestors never had slaves, but died freeing them owe money to people who's ancestors never were slaves.

None of these schemes require any proof of any connection to slavery. Every one of them would take money from people who moved here after WWII and give it to people who snuck in illegally 5 years ago.

There were more white slaves in North Africa than there were black slaves in the US. So you could have people who's ancestors *were* slaves being forced to pay reparations to people who's ancestors were their slaves.

The entire thing is perverse.

I think that won the internet for today.

If I was a forum owner, I'd free this thread from further replies.

 

[GOPerfect]

I think that won the internet for today.

If I was a forum owner, I'd free this thread from further replies.

If not locked soon, very open and honest thoughts on this topic are going to fly.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

If not locked soon, very open and honest thoughts on this topic are going to fly.

If we are not very open and honest about this topic once and for all, huge tax increases and extreme violence are likely to occur.

 

[GOPerfect]

Full openness and honesty, I would be called all kinds of vile names and I would get a time out here.

Most in America are absolutely not ready, willing, nor are they able to have the real discussions that need to be had.,

The pussification of the US is our downfall. We are failing as an empire because of the weak men.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Quite ironic really...

The first New York State Constitution was written 250 years ago TODAY! And it carried forth all the established laws of the Province of New York which included the New York Slave Codes of 1702.

So for anyone that thinks the descendants of slave owners owe them anything, it is in fact the very first legislature and governor, upon the creation of the state of New York that allowed slavery to continue because they failed to explicitly ban it when they adopted the New York State constitution on April 20th 1777. Your government is who you should seek revenge on, not the people.

Go show everyone how mad you are at the government.

New York Constitution of 1777 - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org

New York slave codes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

ETA: the date in the document is a little confusing. It may have been written 199 years ago today?

 

[SonOfSun]

$800.000 per person, lol. Almost a million dollars - that's crazy talk.

Best I can do is $3.50.

Yeah, sorry but not sorry - nobody is owed money for shit that didn't happen to them.

 

[Parzival]

The War of Northern Aggression was won by the wrong side.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I remembered something and did a little research. I'm a descendant of a somewhat prominent revolutionary era politician/judge. He was a delegate at the NY state convention that adopted the state constitution. I think that makes me carry the intergenerational guilt of slavery.

Fun facts:
He was also at the constitutional convention and voted against ratification because the constitution didn't do enough to protect state and individual rights.

I also just found the transcript of a letter George Washington wrote to him after he bitched to George about the behavior of George's troops.

 

[Saltwater60]

Descendants of U.S. slavery underwent a centuries-long process that produced a distinct American ethnic group. Those descendants occupy a unique legal and economic position in U.S. history, and reparations policy should centrally factor lineage in determining compensation.

So why should my tax money go to it? My family wasn’t even here until like the 1940’s or so. How about the Indians, how about the Italians, the Irish, the Chinese? This idea is ridiculous.

 

[Bigfoot]

So why should my tax money go to it? My family wasn’t even here until like the 1940’s or so. How about the Indians, how about the Italians, the Irish, the Chinese? This idea is ridiculous.

It's not only ridiculous, but it's also frickin' retarded in every way imaginable... IMHO

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I also just traced one part of my family back to their arrival from the Netherlands in 1690. I wonder how many slaves we owned up until NY fully abolished it in 1827? The ancestor I mentioned previously left enslaved people to his wife when he died in 1809.

Ok, who do I make the check out to?

 

[Bigfoot]

If this reparations thing looks like it's going to happen, I'm going to go to the tanning booth for an all-day session.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Maybe one day I'll get a knock on the door from the descendants of the slaves my ancestors owned over 200 years ago. I could try to find them first, but property records weren't great back then.

 

[Tisto]

None of my ancestors came to America until after WW I. They came from Poland, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine and Austria. Not a single one had anything to do with slavery - in the US or anywhere else. I feel NO DUTY to pay ANYONE for things that happened long before any of my lineage was part of this society.

Those people that believe they SHOULD receive reparations have no valid arguement in my opinion. They were not slaves. Nor were their parents. Nor their grandparents, and probably not even their great grandparents.

The era after the Civil War is considered the reconstruction era. It was determined at that time what, if any, reparations should be given. Now, A HUNDRED AND SIXTY YEARS later, certain people think they are entitled to what others produced ?! That's ABSURD.

America has NEVER promised an equal outcome, only an equal opportunity. Financial mobility is a real thing. You can become wealthy beyond though just as you can become destitute. It's all up to you and your effort. I DON'T OWE YOU A THING. FURTHER, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU OWE ME ANYTHING, EITHER.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Here is the letter, digitized in the library of congress. I'm trying to hunt down the original.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Here is the letter, digitized in the library of congress. I'm trying to hunt down the original.

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There is also a transcript of the orders Washington sent, that this letter references. It tells Brigadier General Patterson[,] Colonel Hazen[,] Lieutenant Colonel Basset[,] Brigade Major Fish "Great Care is to be taken to prevent the horses of the Army breaking into the fields of Grain—Guards are to be stationed and other necessary measures taken for this Purpose."

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I never would have known any of this if it weren't for slavery.