US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[Saltwater60]

In what way are we out of time ?

The dems taking the house in the midterms would certainly change the dynamic, but it's not going to fundamentally change the situation.

They can't actually pass anything meaningful without Trump just vetoing it. They're certainly not getting a veto proof majority.

And they can fire up the old impeachment show again, but that's DOA in the senate too.

So, besides making a lot of noise, nothing actually changes there.

The actual military situation in the strait can be maintained until at least the end of Trump's term with little difficulty.

The IRGC keeping control of Iran over that time frame OTOH is a lot more questionable.

Midterm elections. We lose the midterms and the Dems will stop this war so fast Iran and China will be sending them thank you gold bars. No connection of course.

 

[Saltwater60]

I used to think the midterms were a done deal for the Dems.

Then they started shooting themselves in the feet with the whole DSA bullshit. Taking a page right out of the Republican playbook (never let a sure thing play itself out).

Now?
It's iffy. I think the dems have a little more sway, but it is quickly being erased by all the crap they are doing (supporting child killers, socialists, illegal rapists and murderers, etc.).

This doesn't mean the Repubs can sit back and ride out on their laurels. They still need to show they are actually willing to do their jobs. And with Thune as one of their examples they are sorely lacking.

I don’t think a Democrat will vote for anyone outside the democrat ticket while Trump is in office.

 

[spat]

Midterm elections. We lose the midterms and the Dems will stop this war so fast Iran and China will be sending them thank you gold bars. No connection of course.

How will they do that ?

They can pass a resolution, but that's just the congressional equivalent of a strongly worded letter. It has no actual force behind it.

They can't pass a law, he'd just veto it.

And that's even assuming they get the Senate.

If they just take the house it'll be the impeachment circus for the next 2 years with exactly the same result as the last 2 times.

But, the military will keep doing what Trump tells them to in the middle east. Everything else will just be theater.

 

[Grimscale]

I don’t think a Democrat will vote for anyone outside the democrat ticket while Trump is in office.

I think some will.

#walkaway was a real thing. There's no evidence it ever ceased to be.
Many honest democrat voters are fed up with the bullshit going on in the DNC right now.

How do you think Trump got elected in the first place (or the second, for that matter).
Moderates, fence sitters, and people who understand what is going on.

 

[Robin]

Well, big media has been pretty successful in selling Trump as a loser. Hell, just read this site.
Robin

 

[Robin]

Maybe they are winning, I saw it on the inter web.
Robin

 

[Bigfoot]

Maybe they are winning, I saw it on the inter web.
Robin

Ho Lee Fuk! - Is that real?

 

[fresch]

Yes, yes it is. The Ali Baba and the forty thieves squad, thats Aladdin.

 

[Robin]

Hmmm, its Aladdin up now!
Robin

 

[Bigfoot]

I thought it might have been AI, but apparently it's real.

 

[Steal2B]

I thought it might have been AI, but apparently it's real.

 

[Bigfoot]

The response -

 

[Saltwater60]

How will they do that ?

They can pass a resolution, but that's just the congressional equivalent of a strongly worded letter. It has no actual force behind it.

They can't pass a law, he'd just veto it.

And that's even assuming they get the Senate.

If they just take the house it'll be the impeachment circus for the next 2 years with exactly the same result as the last 2 times.

But, the military will keep doing what Trump tells them to in the middle east. Everything else will just be theater.

I didn’t think the war was ever officially voted on and approved.

 

[Saltwater60]

I think some will.

#walkaway was a real thing. There's no evidence it ever ceased to be.
Many honest democrat voters are fed up with the bullshit going on in the DNC right now.

How do you think Trump got elected in the first place (or the second, for that matter).
Moderates, fence sitters, and people who understand what is going on.

I agree with moderates and independents. Most people last election cycle voted for Trump because they thought he would bring down costs. That has not happened. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out with the push further and further left.
I think the hate for Trump is so strong many Dems with stick with their party.

 

[spat]

I didn’t think the war was ever officially voted on and approved.

No, it's operating under the auspices of half a dozen different "authorizations" that congress has given over the years.

But, they allowed so many presidents to do so much before without authorization that they don't really have a leg to stand on here.

Especially since we're not actually occupying any territory.

What would they demand, that we suddenly get permission for our ships to remain in the same international waters that they've been patrolling for decades ?

They long ago passed an actual law that allows the president to deploy troops and get permission later.

But, since none of the troops are actually holding any territory, it's not even clear when they would start and stop the clock on that.

Trump as CinC can deploy troops as he sees fit, and apply for permission months later. The only short term requirement is that he *notify* congress about the deployment.

They can deny permission for a strike that happened last month, but what does that even mean ? The strike is done, they can't make him take the bombs back.

 

[spat]

I agree with moderates and independents. Most people last election cycle voted for Trump because they thought he would bring down costs. That has not happened. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out with the push further and further left.
I think the hate for Trump is so strong many Dems with stick with their party.

There's a lot of them who literally believe he is an existential threat.

They think the world will end.
They also think the world will end if you don't recycle your pop cans, but rationality isn't their strong suit.

But, there are a lot of dems and independents who recognize that that is ridiculous hyperbole. They certainly don't like Trump, but they don't think they'll be in a concentration camp next year because of him either.

And the far left has gone so far off the deep end that they might just think "well, Trump is bad, but we know what he is. We've survived 6 years, 2 more won't kill us. But that guy, he's talking about abolishing private property, and I like my house".

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Yes, yes it is. The Ali Baba and the forty thieves squad, thats Aladdin.

The Ali baba 15th tactical carpet interceptor squadron

 

[Steal2B]

The Ali baba 15th tactical carpet interceptor squadron

It's a fringe military group.

 

[Vapor]

 

[Blimey]

I agree with moderates and independents. Most people last election cycle voted for Trump because they thought he would bring down costs. That has not happened. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out with the push further and further left.
I think the hate for Trump is so strong many Dems with stick with their party.

I'd agree that's why most did, even though there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to think he would be able to do this. As you point out, he hasn't: inflation is higher today than when biden left office. None of his promises, like lowering electricity prices by 50% (yeah he really did promise this) have borne out. He had two motivations to win: 1) Pardon himself of his crimes, 2) Increase his wealth. For him it's been an amazing success. Criminal cases gone and since he's given up any semblance of caring about corruption his net worth has gone up by several times in 18 months as he daily trades before his executive actions/military orders.

You mention hate and it is a motivating factor at the ballot box. The group of trump voters not included in the "most" category did it in spite of any claims about the economy: They knew he would hurt the people they hate. He's fulfilled this promise better than hoped. That's why among republicans he still has strong support, and it's why only a small percentage of trump voters actually regret their vote. As long as the democrats, who they hate, are hurt they are absolutely fine with record high diesel prices, record grocery, car prices, electricity, etc.

This country is working well right now if you're in the upper income percentages. My net worth is up tons more than an extra $100/month for the power bill or $200/month on groceries can touch. If you're in the bottom 90% of Americans you can basically get fucked, because none of the governing elite give a shit about you. They never did care that much, but now they aren't even pretending. As the US energy secretary just said: if you don't like gas prices drive less. To be completely honest when I see gas prices go up I find it quite amusing. Elect an accomplished liar promising no wars, and now six months into a middle eastern fiasco we're at record diesel prices. That's funny asf.

 

[Saltwater60]

There's a lot of them who literally believe he is an existential threat.

They think the world will end.
They also think the world will end if you don't recycle your pop cans, but rationality isn't their strong suit.

But, there are a lot of dems and independents who recognize that that is ridiculous hyperbole. They certainly don't like Trump, but they don't think they'll be in a concentration camp next year because of him either.

And the far left has gone so far off the deep end that they might just think "well, Trump is bad, but we know what he is. We've survived 6 years, 2 more won't kill us. But that guy, he's talking about abolishing private property, and I like my house".

Time will tell. I don’t know many democrats who are sick of the democrats even in my little city. They hate Trump and love the looniness. I think a lot of people in the middle could care less about the things we do or talk about. I know a few democrats who don’t like certain things they do like transing the kids and spending frivolously, but they are stronghold democrats. It’s so bad that I talk to my wife about her one friend who says she’s super liberal and we agree on much. She just hates Trump so much she’s never consider voting red. Her sister is much the same and so is my wife. Many will not check red and I think the only hole we have is if they vote third party.

 

[Saltwater60]

No, it's operating under the auspices of half a dozen different "authorizations" that congress has given over the years.

But, they allowed so many presidents to do so much before without authorization that they don't really have a leg to stand on here.

Especially since we're not actually occupying any territory.

What would they demand, that we suddenly get permission for our ships to remain in the same international waters that they've been patrolling for decades ?

They long ago passed an actual law that allows the president to deploy troops and get permission later.

But, since none of the troops are actually holding any territory, it's not even clear when they would start and stop the clock on that.

Trump as CinC can deploy troops as he sees fit, and apply for permission months later. The only short term requirement is that he *notify* congress about the deployment.

They can deny permission for a strike that happened last month, but what does that even mean ? The strike is done, they can't make him take the bombs back.

I get it, but the democrats want it both ways often. They will make a huge fuss about the Iran war especially if they get back in power.
All I know is many hate the war and many hate the cost of things. Wars and the economy cause administration changes often.

 

[spat]

Time will tell. I don’t know many democrats who are sick of the democrats even in my little city. They hate Trump and love the looniness. I think a lot of people in the middle could care less about the things we do or talk about. I know a few democrats who don’t like certain things they do like transing the kids and spending frivolously, but they are stronghold democrats. It’s so bad that I talk to my wife about her one friend who says she’s super liberal and we agree on much. She just hates Trump so much she’s never consider voting red. Her sister is much the same and so is my wife. Many will not check red and I think the only hole we have is if they vote third party.

I think the reasonable democrats have no idea how much of their party has fallen to the loons.

They sit back and think "sure we have a few communists on the fringe, they're like the actual neo nazis that sit on the right".

What they don't realize is that there's maybe a few thousand Nazi's total in the country, but the news tries to make it sound like they're around every corner.

And maybe 30% of the democrat party is communist or communist adjacent. But the news tries to make it out like they're just a fringe of a few thousand people.

So your old school democrats have no idea how bad the situation in their party is.

But if you ask them to vote for someone who's actually platform is undisguised communism, they'll stay home.

 

[Saltwater60]

I'd agree that's why most did, even though there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to think he would be able to do this. As you point out, he hasn't: inflation is higher today than when biden left office. None of his promises, like lowering electricity prices by 50% (yeah he really did promise this) have borne out. He had two motivations to win: 1) Pardon himself of his crimes, 2) Increase his wealth. For him it's been an amazing success. Criminal cases gone and since he's given up any semblance of caring about corruption his net worth has gone up by several times in 18 months as he daily trades before his executive actions/military orders.

You mention hate and it is a motivating factor at the ballot box. The group of trump voters not included in the "most" category did it in spite of any claims about the economy: They knew he would hurt the people they hate. He's fulfilled this promise better than hoped. That's why among republicans he still has strong support, and it's why only a small percentage of trump voters actually regret their vote. As long as the democrats, who they hate, are hurt they are absolutely fine with record high diesel prices, record grocery, car prices, electricity, etc.

This country is working well right now if you're in the upper income percentages. My net worth is up tons more than an extra $100/month for the power bill or $200/month on groceries can touch. If you're in the bottom 90% of Americans you can basically get fucked, because none of the governing elite give a shit about you. They never did care that much, but now they aren't even pretending. As the US energy secretary just said: if you don't like gas prices drive less. To be completely honest when I see gas prices go up I find it quite amusing. Elect an accomplished liar promising no wars, and now six months into a middle eastern fiasco we're at record diesel prices. That's funny asf.

I do not disagree with much of this.

 

[spat]

I get it, but the democrats want it both ways often. They will make a huge fuss about the Iran war especially if they get back in power.
All I know is many hate the war and many hate the cost of things. Wars and the economy cause administration changes often.

Sure, they'll roll out every talking head they can find and they'll pound every gavel in the capitol, and set up a dozen investigative committes.

Probably impeach Trump a couple more times.

But unless they can find an actual patsy who can shoot strait, Trump will still be president until Jan '29, and he can still keep fighting Iran.

 

[Saltwater60]

I think the reasonable democrats have no idea how much of their party has fallen to the loons.

They sit back and think "sure we have a few communists on the fringe, they're like the actual neo nazis that sit on the right".

What they don't realize is that there's maybe a few thousand Nazi's total in the country, but the news tries to make it sound like they're around every corner.

And maybe 30% of the democrat party is communist or communist adjacent. But the news tries to make it out like they're just a fringe of a few thousand people.

So your old school democrats have no idea how bad the situation in their party is.

But if you ask them to vote for someone who's actually platform is undisguised communism, they'll stay home.

I agree with this 100%. I also think they think what do I care about that certain issue because it doesn’t impact me. They don’t realize how much money it costs or how much it’s driving their policy decisions. trans crap comes to mind. Many think oh well it’s their life they can be with whoever they want. They don’t realize how much the government gives to this, how much time and money are spent on this.

 

[Defilade]

All facts spoken..

Iranian Professor Marandi:

“ISIS was created by your regime.

Al-Qaeda was created by your regime.

The head of Al-Qaeda went to the White House — the same organization you say carried out 9/11

So how are we supposed to know who the terrorists are, based on your standards?”
View attachment Tk7oYukeM-GFF0Zq.mp4

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Quick temperature check...

Who believes this is going well?
Who believes this is going poorly?



I vote that's it's going poorly

 

[REF]

Quick temperature check...

Who believes this is going well?
Who believes this is going poorly?



I vote that's it's going poorly

Poorly. No one can ever convince me that .gov planned for this to be drawn out for as long as it has with no end in site.

 

[spat]

Poorly. No one can ever convince me that .gov planned for this to be drawn out for as long as it has with no end in site.

The CIA probably said they had a revolution all setup and ready to go.

Why anyone trusts them on that shit I'll never know.