US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[Saltwater60]

In what way are we out of time ?

The dems taking the house in the midterms would certainly change the dynamic, but it's not going to fundamentally change the situation.

They can't actually pass anything meaningful without Trump just vetoing it. They're certainly not getting a veto proof majority.

And they can fire up the old impeachment show again, but that's DOA in the senate too.

So, besides making a lot of noise, nothing actually changes there.

The actual military situation in the strait can be maintained until at least the end of Trump's term with little difficulty.

The IRGC keeping control of Iran over that time frame OTOH is a lot more questionable.

Midterm elections. We lose the midterms and the Dems will stop this war so fast Iran and China will be sending them thank you gold bars. No connection of course.

 

[Saltwater60]

I used to think the midterms were a done deal for the Dems.

Then they started shooting themselves in the feet with the whole DSA bullshit. Taking a page right out of the Republican playbook (never let a sure thing play itself out).

Now?
It's iffy. I think the dems have a little more sway, but it is quickly being erased by all the crap they are doing (supporting child killers, socialists, illegal rapists and murderers, etc.).

This doesn't mean the Repubs can sit back and ride out on their laurels. They still need to show they are actually willing to do their jobs. And with Thune as one of their examples they are sorely lacking.

I don’t think a Democrat will vote for anyone outside the democrat ticket while Trump is in office.

 

[spat]

Midterm elections. We lose the midterms and the Dems will stop this war so fast Iran and China will be sending them thank you gold bars. No connection of course.

How will they do that ?

They can pass a resolution, but that's just the congressional equivalent of a strongly worded letter. It has no actual force behind it.

They can't pass a law, he'd just veto it.

And that's even assuming they get the Senate.

If they just take the house it'll be the impeachment circus for the next 2 years with exactly the same result as the last 2 times.

But, the military will keep doing what Trump tells them to in the middle east. Everything else will just be theater.

 

[Grimscale]

I don’t think a Democrat will vote for anyone outside the democrat ticket while Trump is in office.

I think some will.

#walkaway was a real thing. There's no evidence it ever ceased to be.
Many honest democrat voters are fed up with the bullshit going on in the DNC right now.

How do you think Trump got elected in the first place (or the second, for that matter).
Moderates, fence sitters, and people who understand what is going on.

 

[Robin]

Well, big media has been pretty successful in selling Trump as a loser. Hell, just read this site.
Robin

 

[Robin]

Maybe they are winning, I saw it on the inter web.
Robin

 

[Bigfoot]

Maybe they are winning, I saw it on the inter web.
Robin

Ho Lee Fuk! - Is that real?

 

[fresch]

Yes, yes it is. The Ali Baba and the forty thieves squad, thats Aladdin.

 

[Robin]

Hmmm, its Aladdin up now!
Robin

 

[Bigfoot]

I thought it might have been AI, but apparently it's real.

 

[Steal2B]

I thought it might have been AI, but apparently it's real.

 

[Bigfoot]

The response -

 

[Saltwater60]

How will they do that ?

They can pass a resolution, but that's just the congressional equivalent of a strongly worded letter. It has no actual force behind it.

They can't pass a law, he'd just veto it.

And that's even assuming they get the Senate.

If they just take the house it'll be the impeachment circus for the next 2 years with exactly the same result as the last 2 times.

But, the military will keep doing what Trump tells them to in the middle east. Everything else will just be theater.

I didn’t think the war was ever officially voted on and approved.

 

[Saltwater60]

I think some will.

#walkaway was a real thing. There's no evidence it ever ceased to be.
Many honest democrat voters are fed up with the bullshit going on in the DNC right now.

How do you think Trump got elected in the first place (or the second, for that matter).
Moderates, fence sitters, and people who understand what is going on.

I agree with moderates and independents. Most people last election cycle voted for Trump because they thought he would bring down costs. That has not happened. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out with the push further and further left.
I think the hate for Trump is so strong many Dems with stick with their party.

 

[spat]

I didn’t think the war was ever officially voted on and approved.

No, it's operating under the auspices of half a dozen different "authorizations" that congress has given over the years.

But, they allowed so many presidents to do so much before without authorization that they don't really have a leg to stand on here.

Especially since we're not actually occupying any territory.

What would they demand, that we suddenly get permission for our ships to remain in the same international waters that they've been patrolling for decades ?

They long ago passed an actual law that allows the president to deploy troops and get permission later.

But, since none of the troops are actually holding any territory, it's not even clear when they would start and stop the clock on that.

Trump as CinC can deploy troops as he sees fit, and apply for permission months later. The only short term requirement is that he *notify* congress about the deployment.

They can deny permission for a strike that happened last month, but what does that even mean ? The strike is done, they can't make him take the bombs back.

 

[spat]

I agree with moderates and independents. Most people last election cycle voted for Trump because they thought he would bring down costs. That has not happened. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out with the push further and further left.
I think the hate for Trump is so strong many Dems with stick with their party.

There's a lot of them who literally believe he is an existential threat.

They think the world will end.
They also think the world will end if you don't recycle your pop cans, but rationality isn't their strong suit.

But, there are a lot of dems and independents who recognize that that is ridiculous hyperbole. They certainly don't like Trump, but they don't think they'll be in a concentration camp next year because of him either.

And the far left has gone so far off the deep end that they might just think "well, Trump is bad, but we know what he is. We've survived 6 years, 2 more won't kill us. But that guy, he's talking about abolishing private property, and I like my house".

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Yes, yes it is. The Ali Baba and the forty thieves squad, thats Aladdin.

The Ali baba 15th tactical carpet interceptor squadron

 

[Steal2B]

The Ali baba 15th tactical carpet interceptor squadron

It's a fringe military group.

 

[Vapor]