BOHICA NY- Reparations Edition

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I really don't even know what to say other than LEAVE NY, ASAP.

Some New Yorkers demand $800K each in reparations as state commission holds hearing

Gov. Kathy Hochul signed a bill in 2023 creating a commission to study slavery in New York and examine forms of reparations

nypost.com

 

[CNYJohn]

New York was a free state

End of the line for underground railroad

Alot of New Yorkers fought in the Civil War to put down the southern rebellion and ensure the blacks were freed

My family came here long after that war , long after the amendment abolishing slavery was enacted

My money doesn't owe anybody anything

Fukk those aholes

 

[Bigfoot]

Hochul's an asshole.

Besides that. Even if the black people were to get the $800,000 per person, most would never say Okay, now we’re good. Nope, they would demand another payment, and another payment after that, and so on.

The whole idea of reparations is pants on head retarded for so many different reasons.

 

[Rap]

Descendants of U.S. slavery underwent a centuries-long process that produced a distinct American ethnic group. Those descendants occupy a unique legal and economic position in U.S. history, and reparations policy should centrally factor lineage in determining compensation.

 

[dsdmmat]

Descendants of U.S. slavery underwent a centuries-long process that produced a distinct American ethnic group. Those descendants occupy a unique legal and economic position in U.S. history, and reparations policy should centrally factor lineage in determining compensation.

Reparations is a scam to keep people voting a certain way. The idea comes from people who want to retain power by delivering promises instead of results. I do not believe there is currently anyone alive that was a slave or a slave owner. The people who were enslaved and the people who enslaved them are long dead.

Question: do the families of the the people who fought to end slavery get these so called “reparations.”

Another question: If your great great grandparents committed a crime are you supposed to be tried for it?

 

[Robin]

Find me one ethnic group, racial group, tribal group that was not involved in using their fellow human beings as slaves. What a scam this reparations scam is and anyone that takes to it is so fucking stupid they deserve to be ignored, at the least.
Robin

 

[Rap]

Reparations is a scam to keep people voting a certain way. The idea comes from people who want to retain power by delivering promises instead of results. I do not believe there is currently anyone alive that was a slave or a slave owner. The people who were enslaved and the people who enslaved them are long dead.

Question: do the families of the the people who fought to end slavery get these so called “reparations.”

Another question: If your great great grandparents committed a crime are you supposed to be tried for it?

This is not a matter of inherited criminal liability. It's a question of unresolved institutional liability and intergenerational economic consequence.

Reparations arguments generally are not saying “you are guilty for what your ancestors did.” They are saying that current U.S. society is historically continuous with systems that produced lineage-specific intergenerational effects, and that those effects justify lineage-conscious remedies.

Whether someone’s ancestors fought for the Union is morally relevant historically, but doesn't erase the existence of the underlying institutional systems or their downstream consequences.

 

[Rap]

Find me one ethnic group, racial group, tribal group that was not involved in using their fellow human beings as slaves. What a scam this reparations scam is and anyone that takes to it is so fucking stupid they deserve to be ignored, at the least.
Robin

You're always welcome to exclude yourself from the conversation. Of course, ignoring reality carries major risks.

 

[Bigfoot]

$800.000 per person, lol. Almost a million dollars - that's crazy talk.

 

[Robin]

You're always welcome to exclude yourself from the conversation. Of course, ignoring reality carries major risks.

Whose reality, yours? Please list the major risks. C'mon what risks!
Robin

 

[Rap]

Whose reality, yours? Please list the major risks. C'mon what risks!
Robin

Reparations conversations are a matter of public discourse and are informing future policy. Whether you are pleased about that or not, it's happening.
The risk in excluding yourself from the conversation when you obviously have strong feelings is that you forfeit the opportunity to influence the outcome.

 

[dsdmmat]

This is not a matter of inherited criminal liability. It's a question of unresolved institutional liability and intergenerational economic consequence.

Reparations arguments generally are not saying “you are guilty for what your ancestors did.” They are saying that current U.S. society is historically continuous with systems that produced lineage-specific intergenerational effects, and that those effects justify lineage-conscious remedies.

Whether someone’s ancestors fought for the Union is morally relevant historically, but doesn't erase the existence of the underlying institutional systems or their downstream consequences.

If the reparations are coming from taxpayer funds it is absolutely holding people who had no connection to slavery accountable for the sins of someone’s forefathers.

 

[C3D]

 

[Rap]

If the reparations are coming from taxpayer funds it is absolutely holding people who had no connection to slavery accountable for the sins of someone’s forefathers.

That's the nature of taxpayer-funded governance.
Slavery and Jim Crow were the law of the land. We're talking about institutional liability.

 

[CNYJohn]

That's the nature of taxpayer-funded governance.
Slavery and Jim Crow were the law of the land. We're talking about institutional liability.

I'm a simple living man , I read things simply

By your logic and my understanding you say that even though there were states that were slave free , those states are still guilty of slavery

By that then , Rhode Island can impose laws specifically on new Yorkers for no other reason than being new Yorkers

That's my take of your big words and long drawn out sentences

 

[dsdmmat]

That's the nature of taxpayer-funded governance.
Slavery and Jim Crow were the law of the land. We're talking about institutional liability.

That is your opinion. The post civil federal government took steps to correct the sins of the past. That in my opinion absolves current Federal government structure of any so called liability.

If you want to talk about the reconstruction into the pre civil right era the argument on reparations is with the southern states and the democrat party.

In my opinion any reparations are wholly unconstitutional. Just as I believe welfare is unconstitutional.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I wonder if the descendants of a slave from NY in 1826 have it worse than the descendants of a free black that arrived in NY in 1828. It must be a measurable difference.

 

[turbobike]

What about my $$$$ for my Great Grand Father who died at Shiloh fighting for the Union, or my other great grand father wounded 5 times during the war and dies 6 months later?? Just saying..

 

[Rap]

I wonder if the descendants of a slave from NY in 1826 have it worse than the descendants of a free black that arrived in NY in 1828. It must be a measurable difference.

The relevant question is not just who arrived when, but under what legal and economic conditions people and their descendants were allowed to build wealth, exercise rights, and participate fully in society. Those conditions shape intergenerational outcomes at the population level.

 

[Zerex]

Biden gave BLM 15 trillion in reparations over the last 4 years..............they squandered it at the Casino and the rest as kickbacks to the DNC.

Sports betting has taken BLM by storm and 68% of black men under 25 use the bet options every day. EVERY DAY.

PLUS, to be in stylin', you need wheels and flash to even walk around, maybe even some blow.

Funny how not one wants to buy and establish a farm....."we donez dat."

It is hopeless, and wildings will be the norm for years to come.

Rural areas are generally safer, as many many prying white eyes and cops exist along highways.

 

[Robin]

Reparations conversations are a matter of public discourse and are informing future policy. Whether you are pleased about that or not, it's happening.
The risk in excluding yourself from the conversation when you obviously have strong feelings is that you forfeit the opportunity to influence the outcome.

Thats "major" to you?!?!?!?! To engage in such idiocy with idiots is a major waste of my time.
Robin

 

[Rap]

Thats "major" to you?!?!?!?! To engage in such idiocy with idiots is a major waste of my time.
Robin

The risk depends on the importance you assign to the outcome. You seem to be invested.

 

[GOPerfect]

How about this???

Fck all that are begging for something they never earned. Not one American has ever been a slave in this land. No one alive today.

Hell, these beggars, they were not slaves.

Their parents were not slaves.

Their grandparents were not slaves.

Their great grandparents were not slaves.

For many, if not most of them, they need to go back 5-6 generations to find a slave.

Pitiful and pathetic. A people with no honor, no pride.

 

[tirwin1]

Descendants of U.S. slavery underwent a centuries-long process that produced a distinct American ethnic group. Those descendants occupy a unique legal and economic position in U.S. history, and reparations policy should centrally factor lineage in determining compensation.

Do the descendants of the 3,000 blacks that owned slaves get reparations or pay reparations? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[GOPerfect]

I have so much to say on this absolute bullshit. I cannot say all that I would want to on this forum. I must stay within the rules set forth and a topic like this, I cannot stay in that rule circle.

For many here, without me saying it all, I am sure you know where I stand.

Oh, BTW, slavery only lasted a short 89 years in the United States. That is it. Anything beyond that is not our responsibility at all.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

The relevant question is not just who arrived when, but under what legal and economic conditions people and their descendants were allowed to build wealth, exercise rights, and participate fully in society. Those conditions shape intergenerational outcomes at the population level.

How many individuals today would have a measurably improved quality of life (social, financial, anything) if their ancestor had not been a slave?

Speaking of intergenerational outcomes, I can only imagine how much we probably owe the descendants of slave owners whose livelihoods were destroyed. Picture the Vanderbilt or Ford descendants today if the railroad or automobile became prohibited.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I suspect the democrats in NY will attempt to advance some type of legislation on reparations at a very opportune time for them. Maybe at some time when a newly elected republican governor would be forced to veto it. The violence in the streets will be wild.

 

[carpediem]

The risk depends on the importance you assign to the outcome. You seem to be invested.

I get your assertion. I would think one would have to prove lineage in order to qualify, not just be black.
However, there are no racial roadblocks holding anyone back today. Case in point, Dr. Ben Carson. From the ghetto to a very accomplished doctor. Will all in the ghetto succeed? No, but all whites do not succeed either, even with their mythical "white privilege". The US promises equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. Does a drug dealer in the hood driving a Mercedes and having plenty of money get reparations? Does Michael Jordan or Oprah get reparations? They don't need it but if they get it, I and many others are on the hook for it. The bloodshed 1861-1865, the generations of government support and programs put in place to move blacks to the head of the line in certain areas of society are reparations. There are many problems in the black community, most if not all self inflicted. Crying racism and blaming whites is overplayed and asking for almost a million dollars PER PERSON is ludicrous at best. Blacks need to admit responsibility and start fixing their own communities from within.

Just my take on it all.

 

[GOPerfect]

I get your assertion. I would think one would have to prove lineage in order to qualify, not just be black.
However, there are no racial roadblocks holding anyone back today. Case in point, Dr. Ben Carson. From the ghetto to a very accomplished doctor. Will all in the ghetto succeed? No, but all whites do not succeed either, even with their mythical "white privilege". The US promises equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. Does a drug dealer in the hood driving a Mercedes and having plenty of money get reparations? Does Michael Jordan or Oprah get reparations? They don't need it but if they get it, I and many others are on the hook for it. The bloodshed 1861-1865, the generations of government support and programs put in place to move blacks to the head of the line in certain areas of society are reparations. There are many problems in the black community, most if not all self inflicted. Crying racism and blaming whites is overplayed and asking for almost a million dollars PER PERSON is ludicrous at best. Blacks need to admit responsibility and start fixing their own communities from within.

Just my take on it all.

So many in the US have no idea who their father's are, tracing back to slave days is a task to great to waste time, money and effort on.

 

[carpediem]

So many in the US have no idea who their father's are, tracing back to slave days is a task to great to waste time, money and effort on.

That was my point. It would be a very small eligible group of recipients.