BOHICA NY- Reparations Edition

[Keyzard]

I see that you've put a lot of thoughts into your decision and trying to find an option that would meet your family needs. I like that. I might have some questions for you at some point.

Feel free to reach out at any time.

 

[Robin]

The risk depends on the importance you assign to the outcome. You seem to be invested.

You seem to be infested.
Robin

 

[Criticalt]

Yoo fool, I be looking fo my repiration bro.
You foolz best not be messin with my moniez when I be axing fo thems!!

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

The same member(s) come out of the woodwork when there is a topic that's race based. Interesting.

 

[Criticalt]

I have so much to say on this absolute bullshit. I cannot say all that I would want to on this forum. I must stay within the rules set forth and a topic like this, I cannot stay in that rule circle.

For many here, without me saying it all, I am sure you know where I stand.

Oh, BTW, slavery only lasted a short 89 years in the United States. That is it. Anything beyond that is not our responsibility at all.

What many people dont talk about, is the unspoken truth about slavery.
Was it horrible? Absolutely.
But, just over 1% of Americans owned slaves. Only the extremely wealthy could afford slaves.
And now the controversial part, but true. There were issues with indentured service, debt, and share cropping which tied freed slaves to their former masters. But, there was a large number of slaves who CHOSE to stay on the plantation, and work for money. Many of the plantation owners even gave them "health insurance", in the way they always had. Sick or injured workers cant work.
After they were free, life alone was very difficult. There were very few jobs, and even less available land or homes for them.
Because 95%+ of slaves were actually well treated, they chose to stay in their comfy homes on the plantation. They had food, safety, and Healthcare.
The "fact" that all slaves were horribly treated and whipped is a completely made up notion for the movies. Of course there were mistreated slaves, just like the scumbags today who beat their wives and kids. But it wss NOT the norm, it was the exception, just like today.
Again, slavery was a dark spot in American history. But we cant forget that many slaves didn't want to be free, and some even WILLINGLY fought for the South.
The vast majority were well treated, had homes, warmth, food, and decent health. The slave owners treated them like livestock, which is horrible, but I know many modern farmers who treat their working stock as good as their own children...some treat their draught horses better than their children!
Again, sick or injured workers cannot work.
And house slaves wore the finest fashion, and were kept very well.
God this sounds terrible, but.....the upper society back then would judge each other on the health and appearance of their house slaves. Kind of like your neighbors judge you on the appearance of your yard today.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

What many people dont talk about, is the unspoken truth about slavery.
Was it horrible? Absolutely.
But, just over 1% of Americans owned slaves. Only the extremely wealthy could afford slaves.
And now the controversial part, but true. There were issues with indentured service, debt, and share cropping which tied freed slaves to their former masters. But, there was a large number of slaves who CHOSE to stay on the plantation, and work for money. Many of the plantation owners even gave them "health insurance", in the way they always had. Sick or injured workers cant work.
After they were free, life alone was very difficult. There were very few jobs, and even less available land or homes for them.
Because 95%+ of slaves were actually well treated, they chose to stay in their comfy homes on the plantation. They had food, safety, and Healthcare.
The "fact" that all slaves were horribly treated and whipped is a completely made up notion for the movies. Of course there were mistreated slaves, just like the scumbags today who beat their wives and kids. But it wss NOT the norm, it was the exception, just like today.
Again, slavery was a dark spot in American history. But we cant forget that many slaves didn't want to be free, and some even WILLINGLY fought for the South.
The vast majority were well treated, had homes, warmth, food, and decent health. The slave owners treated them like livestock, which is horrible, but I know many modern farmers who treat their working stock as good as their own children...some treat their draught horses better than their children!
Again, sick or injured workers cannot work.
And house slaves wore the finest fashion, and were kept very well.
God this sounds terrible, but.....the upper society back then would judge each other on the health and appearance of their house slaves. Kind of like your neighbors judge you on the appearance of your yard today.

This is true.


I personally visited a Southern plantation in Charleston SC and did a slave tour. It was the Magnolia plantation, freedom to slavery tour if anyone was curious or wants to check it out themselves. It was definitely worth doing.

I wanted to see what it was all about with my own eyes, and not what was in a textbook or pictures.

It was eye opening to say the least. I learned many things I never considered or thought about. And I learned that what was taught now about slavery is not quite accurate it's been over simplified and generalized for text books. It's still grotesque and vile but it's not what I expected it to be.

Also super interesting, a point I never considered is after the civil war was over and emancipation, many of the newly freed slaves elected to choose to stay right where they were and continue working on the same plantations as hired help and stayed for the room/board/food etc. I did not expect that at all. I thought they would have left to go anywhere but stay where they were.

 

[Saltwater60]

I wonder how much the commission to study slavery in NY is costing the taxpayers.

Ho Lee Fuk, the sentence above says a lot about NY.

Friends and family plan for sure.

 

[tirwin1]

This is true.


I personally visited a Southern plantation in Charleston SC and did a slave tour. It was the Magnolia plantation, freedom to slavery tour if anyone was curious or wants to check it out themselves. It was definitely worth doing.

I wanted to see what it was all about with my own eyes, and not what was in a textbook or pictures.

It was eye opening to say the least. I learned many things I never considered or thought about. And I learned that what was taught now about slavery is not quite accurate it's been over simplified and generalized for text books. It's still grotesque and vile but it's not what I expected it to be.

Also super interesting, a point I never considered is after the civil war was over and emancipation, many of the newly freed slaves elected to choose to stay right where they were and continue working on the same plantations as hired help and stayed for the room/board/food etc. I did not expect that at all. I thought they would have left to go anywhere but stay where they were.

Not necessarily surprising at all. If all they knew was their life on the plantation how prepared would they be to strike out on their own?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Not necessarily surprising at all. If all they knew was their life on the plantation how prepared would they be to strike out on their own?

You're not wrong.

It was a mix, some took a chance and left into the unknown and went north, some were content and stayed where they were happy their lives were improving, some stayed because they didn't know what else to do.

Regardless, it's an example that things aren't always the way they seem and not what fits a neat and tidy paragraph in a textbook. There's a lot more nuance to it.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

This is true.


I personally visited a Southern plantation in Charleston SC and did a slave tour. It was the Magnolia plantation, freedom to slavery tour if anyone was curious or wants to check it out themselves. It was definitely worth doing.

I wanted to see what it was all about with my own eyes, and not what was in a textbook or pictures.

It was eye opening to say the least. I learned many things I never considered or thought about. And I learned that what was taught now about slavery is not quite accurate it's been over simplified and generalized for text books. It's still grotesque and vile but it's not what I expected it to be.

Also super interesting, a point I never considered is after the civil war was over and emancipation, many of the newly freed slaves elected to choose to stay right where they were and continue working on the same plantations as hired help and stayed for the room/board/food etc. I did not expect that at all. I thought they would have left to go anywhere but stay where they were.

I've been to that place before. Quite cool. Descendants of the former slaves still work there to this day, IIRC.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I've been to that place before. Quite cool. Descendants of the former slaves still work there to this day, IIRC.

Yea, that was part of the story/your to learn. Very interesting indeed and worthwhile to see firsthand.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is getting fun now....

The blacks and the Browns are really starting to fight. Gonna see lots of racism coming from these peoples....

Activists blast Democrats for allegedly planting Latinos for votes

Black activists in New York argued that Democrats had been filling Black neighborhoods with migrants to fill 'voting rolls,' as debates over reparations continue.

www.dailymail.com

 

[tirwin1]

As long as we're on the topic......

 

[GOPerfect]

As long as we're on the topic......

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Indeed. These cities and neighborhoods are destroyed.

 

[livingston]

 

[livingston]

As long as we're on the topic......

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[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I think I carry intergenerational guilt...

For treason

 

[Rap]

Some historical context on reparations:

Reparations | Brown’s Slavery & Justice Report, Digital 2nd Edition | Brown University

Confronting Slavery’s Legacy: The Reparations Question examines the contours of the contemporary slavery reparations controversy and its deeper historical roots

slaveryandjusticereport.brown.edu

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Probably a paywall, lol

 

[GOPerfect]

Some historical context on reparations:

Reparations | Brown’s Slavery & Justice Report, Digital 2nd Edition | Brown University

Confronting Slavery’s Legacy: The Reparations Question examines the contours of the contemporary slavery reparations controversy and its deeper historical roots

slaveryandjusticereport.brown.edu

I have read this gobble gook in the past.

I just re-read it.

All of those people that were compensated were directly affected

Japanese Americans interned.... Their great-great-great-great-great grandchildren are not receiving funds.

Indigenous Hawaiians, paid out to those that were directly affected.

The US have never paid Holocaust survivors.


I am curious with the reparations bullshit here in the US, why not go after the Africans/tribes that captured and sold the slaves?

Why not go after England, France, Spain and others for bringing these slaves in what is now known as the US?

Not that this will ever happen, if reparations are paid by the US government and the tax payers, these payments should only be for the 89 years that slavery existed in the US of A.

 

[Rap]

I have read this gobble gook in the past.

I just re-read it.

All of those people that were compensated were directly affected

Japanese Americans interned.... Their great-great-great-great-great grandchildren are not receiving funds.

Indigenous Hawaiians, paid out to those that were directly affected.

The US have never paid Holocaust survivors.


I am curious with the reparations bullshit here in the US, why not go after the Africans/tribes that captured and sold the slaves?

Why not go after England, France, Spain and others for bringing these slaves in what is now known as the US?

Not that this will ever happen, if reparations are paid by the US government and the tax payers, these payments should only be for the 89 years that slavery existed in the US of A.

Why would the United States conceivably owe anything to Holocaust survivors?

The reparations controversy in question pertains specifically to the United States—where U.S. jurisdiction applies.

Regarding reparations for slavery, the relevant claims cover at least the years 1776 to 1865. Additionally, the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws represent other possible grounds for legal action/ legislative redress.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I have read this gobble gook in the past.

I just re-read it.

All of those people that were compensated were directly affected

Japanese Americans interned.... Their great-great-great-great-great grandchildren are not receiving funds.

Indigenous Hawaiians, paid out to those that were directly affected.

The US have never paid Holocaust survivors.


I am curious with the reparations bullshit here in the US, why not go after the Africans/tribes that captured and sold the slaves?

Why not go after England, France, Spain and others for bringing these slaves in what is now known as the US?

Not that this will ever happen, if reparations are paid by the US government and the tax payers, these payments should only be for the 89 years that slavery existed in the US of A.

By that logic, don't stop there. Go after the other Africans that captured and sold their rivals and enemies into slavery.

 

[GOPerfect]

Why would the United States conceivably owe anything to Holocaust survivors?

The reparations controversy in question pertains specifically to the United States—where U.S. jurisdiction applies.

Regarding reparations for slavery, the relevant claims cover at least the years 1776 to 1865. Additionally, the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws represent other possible grounds for legal action/ legislative redress.

Your article that you posted spoke of the Holocaust, this is why I mentioned it.

Again, no one alive today was enslaved, how can you make a person whole, that was never part of this practice?

As for laws in the US, should all individuals that had been affected by bad law 62ish years ago, regardless of the law, receive monies?

 

[Bigfoot]

This reparations bullshit shouldn't even be a thing.
There's so much wrong with the whole logic of it all.

There are so many variables to consider. The whole idea of reparations is obviously retarded.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

@Rap I'm genuinely curious what the ask is. Let's assume for a moment that there was overwhelming support for some kind of reparations for slavery. Then what? How do you determine eligibility? What is owed to those that are deemed eligible? Who owes it to them?

Would a formal apology from Congress and POTUS suffice, or does it have to be monetary?

 

[Bigfoot]

I don't even think a formal apology is in order or necessary... I'm just saying.

Fuck that... Tough shit... Sort of thing.

 

[Bigfoot]

The Democrat Party has historically been the political party of racism. And here we are.
They just put it in reverse retard is all.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I don't even think an apology is in order or necessary... I'm just saying.

Fuck that... Tough shit... Sort of thing.

I'm just asking the question. The benchmark seems to be $800,000 right now. Who came up with that, and how? Does it have to be a one-time cash payment, or would up to $800,000 in tax "credits" over ones entire lifetime be acceptable?

What if the government said "ok, we will allocate a bazillion dollars. How do you want it?". Does each state get 2% of that to distribute how they see fit, or something else?

 

[Bigfoot]

I'm just asking the question. *snip*

Yeah, I know, I was just building off your post is all.

 

[Bigfoot]

What percentage of the reparation payments would go directly to
NY Democrat politicians of any color?

What would Hochul the Horrible's and the other corrupt Democrats cut be?

I have a ton of questions. The whole thing doesn't make any sense to any fair-minded individual.
As usual, there's probably a follow-the-corrupt-money thing going on with it all.

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